Wednesday, December 12, 2007

Co-op update

The Corma blog picks up a piece from Crain's New York Business I'd missed, on the Flatbush Food Co-op's planned move.

Here are the newsier bits:

The Flatbush co-op, run by Barry Smith, is scrambling to expand its offerings and to add and improve services. Mr. Smith was a pioneer in the area when he opened the store in his basement in 1976, and he doesn't want to be muscled out.

This past summer, the co-op took its biggest step ever: It signed a lease for a new site, just across Cortelyou Road, that had been occupied by an Associated Supermarket. The co-op will move into that location, which has three times as much space, by the end of the year.

``Space has been our biggest problem,'' says Mr. Smith.

The co-op is so cramped that shopping is hard, and making money is even harder. Store margins have been pinched, since it costs more to stock goods in small quantities. And there's little room to display products prominently, much less to add a potentially lucrative deli section.

Caught unprepared

"Prepared foods have been a growth sector for a number of years, and the Flatbush co-op hasn't been able to take advantage of those opportunities,'' Mr. Braverman says.

That will change with the advent of the new store. Organic produce, the store's top category, will get plenty of prime space, and Mr. Smith intends to add more prepared foods and bulk items.

The co-op has pulled off one surprising coup: recruiting an expert from a Trader Joe's on Long Island to be its produce manager. Plans are afoot to hire 10 more employees.

38 Comments:

Bruzen said...

No all Barry needs is to hire joe Holtz from the Park Slope Food Coop to learn how to run a coop.

Anne said...

the park slope food co-op owns their building and almost all their labor is provided by unpaid members. it is not realistic or fair to compare the two co-ops, especially where prices are concerned.

also, many people prefer the option of shopping at a co-op without having to be a (working or non-working) member.

Anonymous said...

Is the Flatbush Coop actually a coop? silly question, but I just assumed they used that title for marketing purposes.

Anonymous said...

Wait, they hired a produce manager from Trader Joe's? But TJ's, as great as it is, isn't known for their produce. In fact, it's not up to standard. It's usually plastic-wrapped and there isn't very much of it.

The new co-op ought to have good quality bread, and a fish counter...that would be a real improvement. And also, their coffee has been very stale and sour lately. Hopefully in the new place they'll freshen it up. If anyone from there is reading this...here's hoping...

Anonymous said...

for 2:57

it's a coop in the sense that you can be a member and get reduced prices in exchange for work but you can also pay their regular retail prices;
more about the move on their website here : http://www.flatbushfoodcoop.com/Expansion%20News%20Update.pdf

Anonymous said...

When the Flatbush Food Coop begins to resemble the Park Slope Coop, that's when they'll lose my business.

Anonymous said...

There is no way the Co-op will move into the new location by the end of the year. Work in the new location has been crawling. Given the time the Associated market closed, I automatically assumed the Co-op would be in by now. The larger space will improve the business.

Anonymous said...

The 4% discount is not worth working for. The PS Food Coop of which I am not a member estimates the discount at 20%....now that would make it worth working at. My husband went out looking for parsnips and turnips for our first winter soup....none at Met, none at Tibetan....so he actually paid $8 for two parsnips and 3 turnips at the coop...I just can not afford that. I'm going to have to talk to the guy at Met and see if he can add to his fresh produce.

Anonymous said...

I really hope that the Flatbush Coop lives up to expectation in the new space. I too would love to shop there for all of my grocery needs but it is cost prohibitive. I have to unfortunatley pick and choose which organic products are most important and hope for the best with everything else from a regular grocery store. Working for a 4% discount is not an incentive.

Anonymous said...

flatbush co-op should enlist the help of Trader Joe's not only for the produce, but more for how to keep the prices low.

Anonymous said...

The Coop will have to lower their prices if they're going to compete with the organic market on Stratford and Cortelyou.

Anyone who sells reasonably priced organic milk, or antibiotic free milk, would get my business in a heartbeat, and could probably wind up gauging me on other products.

jkg11218 said...

I have actually been surprised at the pace of their move to Associated. They have a "for rent" sign in their current location, so I think they are pushing ahead aggressively. I think (hope) they gutted the Associated, and that's a large space, so getting it ready to go within the month would be impressive. Think about how long Connecticut Muffin took to open!

I'm really hoping that the larger space and bigger quantity of food will translate to lower prices, especially on produce. As it stands, it's prohibitively expensive. Combined that with the cramped space, and I don't shop there much. I'm optimistic about the new space!

Anonymous said...

7:15 PM

Did you check the C-Town on Coney Island Avenue or is that just too far a stretch to walk?

Euell Gibbons said...

First off, is there any proof whatsoever that organic food is better for you or tastes better?

Doubtful.

I love the women I work with: they eat all organic but try and get them to exercise and OH NO WAY! But as long as they eat organic - be it corn chips, chocolate chip cookies, whatever - it's OK!

Give me a break. I am more disappointed that the Met is the only none organic supermarket on Cortelyou. I don't mind going to C-Town when I have to but I try to shop elsewhere, especially since I have a car.

kelli and johnny said...

The percentage of discount to working goes like this: 3% off for becoming a member (no work required), 8% off for working 2 hours a month, and 16% off for working 2 hours a week. I support them, but I agree they could improve their efficiency.

kelli and johnny said...

actually, it's 8% off for 3 hours of work per month.

Anonymous said...

2 hours a week for 16%...wow! I'd be hard-pressed to find the time. If they can do better with the discount and time it takes to get that discount they would get more members.

Anonymous said...

I live around the corner from the former Associated and I can tell you that there's been quite a lot of work going on there as of late. Looks like a gut job and a new roof (remember the leaks last year anyone?).

C-Town looks nice, but the produce section smells pretty bad and they don't carry items that I consider staples, such as chunks of parmesan cheese, to name one. Nor does the Met on Cortelyou. I couldn't even get Buttermilk and baking chocolate there last month.

burton said...

euell gibbons - whether or not organic food is better for YOU, it's hard to argue against the claim that organic farming is better for the earth. pesticides aren't exactly environmentally friendly - your coworkers' decisions might have something to do with issues other than weight loss.

Anne said...

interesting that euell gibbons seems to feel marginalized by all the organic choices that surround him. especially if he has a car (and presumably is willing to drive it as far as necessary), there is no shortage of non-organic options throughout the city, the country, and the planet.

Anonymous said...

Privileged people get to eat organic food. Organic farming may be better for the earth but the point must be made that even organic food products have manufacturing issues...not to mention the use of energy to get products to the marketplace. BUY LOCAL!

kelli and johnny said...

I eat organic food but I'm not privileged. In fact, there are millions of people around the world who "get" to eat organic food and they are a lot less privileged than us. People gripe about organic food prices, but all of the produce I buy at the park slope food coop is cheaper than any other produce in nyc.

Peregrine said...

The Coop will probably be awhile in opening. They could be looking at Feb. or March. Maybe the contractors will surprise them but when have you known a contractor to do that. ;-)
It’s my opinion that all “organic” groceries have taken on the mantle of “specialty” stores and think they can price accordingly.
IMO that’s too bad. If they worked to compete in price then more people would gravitate to the supply of local and organic products. It does no good to say this is organic so of course you must pay more. That won’t convert anyone.
I’m glad the coop gets to expand but the loss of the Associated is being felt by a lot of people in the community.

I am an equal opportunity bargain hunter. I use the Coop for bulk grains, dried fruits and their granolas. I use the groceries, both C-Town & the Met, for staples and can goods. For great veggies I head to Ditmas across Ocean Parkway to the Ukrainians who compete side by side for your business or to the three HUGE veggie stores on Church just this side of McDonalds.
A little far to go, especially for the ones who can’t get off Cortelyou, well it’s your loss.
Drag out that bike and take a 5 minute ride to either place, you’ll come home with an amazing variety of veggies for great prices.
Even in this weather I’m heading out to get the ingredients for veggie stock and zucchini, pear soup.

Bruzen said...

C-Town smells like insecticide as did the Associated. You can knock the PFSC all you want but it is still a rarity: A business for the people by the people. I put my money where my mouth is…literally. But I do support both the Flatbush Food Coop as well as Natural Frontier (about 100 ft from my door) but the bulk of ALL my goods are bought at PFSC, and I don't have a car. I believe in the ideal of a coop. for me it is community.

Anonymous said...

It is a privilege ... I'm sorry. when I think of all the hungry people it the world I simply see it as a privilege.

Tom said...

Re: wrapping produce in plastic.

You might be amazed at the waste in produce departments. Reducing the amount of veg that gets tossed is a great way to reduce the price.

Wrapping stuff up cuts down on two big sources of waste:
- old lady pinches
- pyramids of round things falling on the floor

And, it's more sanitary.

euell Gibbons said...

Trust me, these women at my job don't care about the earth.

And since organic food needs to wrapped in plastic, well...

And who says these pesticides are bad for the earth?

Anonymous said...

Cortelyou road is just one of the aves that I get products I need. I agree with Peregrine about the vegetable stores on Ditmas and 5th St. I go there as well - Cheap prices. I also shop at the vegetable stands on Church Ave -- near the podiatrist's office.

I recently found a grocery store on 18th ave. and 2nd st. It is a russian grocery story and I liked the prices of their produce. Their customer service leaves a little to be desired, however, maybe i caught them on a bad day.

Most people in and around the neighborhood use various shops from the Shop Rite and Amazing Savings on McDonald, to the Met grocery on Cortleyou. I miss the Associated because I bought my staples ( cleaning supplies, litter, parmalot milk,garlic paste,cat food, paper prodcuts etc.) there every month and enjoyed the Delivery service. I did't like the produce at Asociated. I didn't smell insecticide as previously mentioned, but it was way too expensive and not very inviting looking. Their Deli section was a waste.

From the Food Co-op I get Seventh Generation products when on sale. I also like to get their variety of whole wheat Pasta's ( most always on sale) ,low sodium and organic products. I stock up on the organic products when they are on sale- I also like the look of their red sweet potatoes -- most of the time.

There is also a health food store on 7th ave. a few blocks from the Barnes and Nobles,-- poor parking though. Prices aren't bad.

I also frequent the Dominican spanish restaurant on Flatbush Ave from time to time. ( I think it is called Rodriguez's -- a litte loud but I like the Roasted chicken and rice) I also like the Food TOwn and the Walbaums in the Canarsie area. (In and around the Georgetown shopping area -- beautiful produce!)Both were recently renovated, beautiful!
The Waldbaums on Ocean Ave/Ave Y is also another place to shop.

I also used go to the vegetable stands in the brighten Beach area and pick up pumpernickel bread with raisens from the nearby russian bakery. There are so many places to shop and get specialilty items in Brooklyn...Everything isn't cortelyou road or bust.

There is a Jewish Deli on Ave P near Ocean Ave.and Ave. P-- Also the best Carvel is there.

Carevelle restaurant is also there. How about the Diner near Kings Plaza-- not in a trendy area but it is wonderful for a family style breakfast or lunch. Sometimes i stop there when coming home from work in Queens and pick up a large soup there. LAtely, though I have been enjoying the soup at Conn. Muffin.The LArge soup is rather small.

C town could do a better job of having a variety of stuff. SOmehow I get the feeling I am in a large bodega when I am in there. With Associated gone they have a golden opportunity to catch a lot Associated people. At least there is parking.

And ofcourse there is Fairway in Red Hook -- Wonderful place to shop! I think they have the best prices for Organic produce. Everything doesn't have to be a minute away from your house or apartment.

even wihout a car the buses will bring you to many places. The b23 on Cortelyou I believe brings you to Ditmas Ave/OCean Parkway.

I also get my hair cut at Fredilien's Hair Salon on Ditmas and east 2nd. street. I have lived on both Ocean Parkway and Ocean Ave. and use both sides of these adjoining neighborhoods.

Quite frankly, I have lived in the neighborhood for so long it is all Flatbush to me. I know for those Park SLope wanna be's that is a problem for you. The emphasis on Kensington and Ditmas Park as seperate neighborhoods is all a bunch of hooey to me -- promulgated by the Realtors wanting to make a bigger buck!

Anonymous said...

Anyone with a car really has little to complain about. Door to door shopping? No tired arms carrying only what you can? Easy and quick (relatively when compared to a walker or subway user) access to far-flung places to pick up from 10 different places on a whim rather than planning what you can get from 2 places along your commute? And then realizing you really might as well make that extra trip to Manhattan or the Slope?

Sorry, my concerns are more about where I can get decent food on convenient stops along my commute... without a car. Since Ditmas Park doesn't always have everything in one spot, I continue to pick up from Park Slope or Manhattan where ONE stop at ONE excellent-run-and-speedy deli or supermarket (Trader Joes) allows me to pick up what i need with little hassle. Sometimes it's more expensive and longer lines, but it's worth my time and energy than to run to many places that are slow and aren't sure to have what I need.

Anonymous said...

6:16,

I agree with your point. Many will not.

Anonymous said...

6:16, Good tips but that's just too much running around for me. and I have a car! I prefer to try and shop locally but the pickings are slim. I go to Fairway for most produce and stock up on staples in either Shop'N Stop or Shop Rite. I peruse the many circulars that end up on my porch to assess who has the best sales in any given week. Shop'N Stop has a huge parking lot but if it is raining, it is not pleasant to load your groceries. Shop Rite has underground parking and is virtually empty on Friday evenings ans Saturday. It is worth the bus ride or walk over to either of them to pick up staples and then you can take a car service back home. If you have the storage or can make the storage you can do this only once a month.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, it's actually easier for me to go to TJ's in Union Square (at least during off hours when it's not busy) and take the Q straight home rather than go to three or four places in the neighborhood to get what I need.

Mr. Whipple said...

Best supermarket is Pathmark in Carroll Gardens/Red Hook right off Fort Hamilton.

Peregrine said...

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Anonymous said...

I just wonder if we will see another bodega or hair salon open up in the old Coop location once they move.

Anonymous said...

i think it'll be a bodega/99 c merchandise/cell phone reseller/mortgage lender/MDF furniture store.

or maybe a deli with all its windows plastered up with posters, stickers, etc.

i hope i'm wrong

Anonymous said...

euell - regrettably, you're very misinformed about organic ag....to understand why it's far better for the environment in general, try to skim through at least a few sentences of chapter 2 of this FAO report, which is probably the single most comprehensive, objective report on the subject:
http://www.fao.org/DOCREP/005/Y4137E/Y4137E00.HTM

based on your comments so far, my guess is that you don't put much faith in scientific facts, basic reason, etc...that's your *choice*, but it's an undeniable *fact* that organic ag is much more environmentally sound than conventional ag. whether YOU happen to agree with that or not is irrelevant...

Anonymous said...

Any other store that sells the same food for health?